You notice if you look at history ... all the plans of mice and men fall apart as soon as transport becomes more expensive than the worth of the goods/people you are transporting. Even importing slaves into the city on trains for their slave labor turns inefficient when the price of keeping the trains running become excessive contrasted …
You notice if you look at history ... all the plans of mice and men fall apart as soon as transport becomes more expensive than the worth of the goods/people you are transporting. Even importing slaves into the city on trains for their slave labor turns inefficient when the price of keeping the trains running become excessive contrasted with the money saved by using slave labor. Maybe if you went back to horses pulling slave carts but that tech is by and large lost.
Being unable to move from A to B on abundant resources (we really do have so much coal, oil and gas you would not believe it) is a fundamental sign that a civilization is really collapsing at a fundamental level. It's not just Turkish Mongolians. It's an entire population dumb enough to slurp their lies when any creature with a survival instinct would know that these are terrible ideas. Like for example, putting women into the work force and having children raised by daycare centers.
I’ve pondered this a while and while I think everything you and the others have said is pretty on point, I cant shale the feeling that human ingenuity will kick this can a bit down the road into a more effective future dystopia. For example, I work for a company that doesnt manufacture much, we do other stuff mostly unrelated to manyfacturing, however, when covid came we had a meeting to figure out how we might build ventilators and how many we could probably build per day. Theyd have to be manually controlled rather than electronically, and we werent sure, but we figured we could probably make several functional ones in the first week, and then churn them out quite a bit faster after that. Then it turned out ventilators werent that great and the whole thing was a cluster and the pandemic wasnt that bad, but we couldve done it. Now, it isnt like most companies could do that sort of thing, but whenever I’ve been in serious situations before, be they natural disasters or serious problems at sea or away from civilization, people are pretty resourceful. Except the absolutely useless ones, which are represented in every cohort and across all intelligence levels. I’ve seen literally retarded people bust their ass trying to solve problems, and certifiable geniuses who were better at physics than me be unable to problem solve basic real life situations. I think if things break hard enough we might have a chance, but if they dont we’re in for some book of revelation level dystopia.
We will be lucky if we get a better dystopia if we continue to play into the great false narrative. Very lucky because it isn't working. Only one group is getting spoils from that system but everybody else loses when they invest in it. Most importantly of all ... spoils systems themselves are not civilization and never will be.
You notice if you look at history ... all the plans of mice and men fall apart as soon as transport becomes more expensive than the worth of the goods/people you are transporting. Even importing slaves into the city on trains for their slave labor turns inefficient when the price of keeping the trains running become excessive contrasted with the money saved by using slave labor. Maybe if you went back to horses pulling slave carts but that tech is by and large lost.
Being unable to move from A to B on abundant resources (we really do have so much coal, oil and gas you would not believe it) is a fundamental sign that a civilization is really collapsing at a fundamental level. It's not just Turkish Mongolians. It's an entire population dumb enough to slurp their lies when any creature with a survival instinct would know that these are terrible ideas. Like for example, putting women into the work force and having children raised by daycare centers.
I’ve pondered this a while and while I think everything you and the others have said is pretty on point, I cant shale the feeling that human ingenuity will kick this can a bit down the road into a more effective future dystopia. For example, I work for a company that doesnt manufacture much, we do other stuff mostly unrelated to manyfacturing, however, when covid came we had a meeting to figure out how we might build ventilators and how many we could probably build per day. Theyd have to be manually controlled rather than electronically, and we werent sure, but we figured we could probably make several functional ones in the first week, and then churn them out quite a bit faster after that. Then it turned out ventilators werent that great and the whole thing was a cluster and the pandemic wasnt that bad, but we couldve done it. Now, it isnt like most companies could do that sort of thing, but whenever I’ve been in serious situations before, be they natural disasters or serious problems at sea or away from civilization, people are pretty resourceful. Except the absolutely useless ones, which are represented in every cohort and across all intelligence levels. I’ve seen literally retarded people bust their ass trying to solve problems, and certifiable geniuses who were better at physics than me be unable to problem solve basic real life situations. I think if things break hard enough we might have a chance, but if they dont we’re in for some book of revelation level dystopia.
I agree with what you just described.
We will be lucky if we get a better dystopia if we continue to play into the great false narrative. Very lucky because it isn't working. Only one group is getting spoils from that system but everybody else loses when they invest in it. Most importantly of all ... spoils systems themselves are not civilization and never will be.